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Sunday, September 09, 2012

No Free Lunch

 

It's a basic fact of life that there is "no free lunch," meaning, nothing is free.

This applies to basics like food and shelter, as well as higher-order concepts like education and healthcare. 

The reason I brought this up is that it troubles me to note that America's current generation of young people appear to have no concept of what this idea means. I constantly see people saying things like, "I like Obama because he gives me healthcare." No, Obama doesn't "give" anyone healthcare. Someone has to pay for it. It's just a matter of who you believe should pay.

In a perfect world, resources wouldn't be scarce, and everyone would have exactly what they need. We don't live in a perfect world. 

"No free lunch" is a basic fact of life, and there are two basic politically-related positions in response to it.

1. People should pay for their own things, using the resources they have and acquire. (As a result, some people will have less than other people.) This position leaves room for those who have more to choose to give to those who have less.

2. The government should take from those who have acquired more and give it to those who have less, so that the inequality will be lessened or eradicated. (whether this works in the real world is a whole other issue)

These are the only two basic positions that are open. The government cannot just "give" people things. It has to get the resources from somewhere.

I'm not taking potshots at a certain party with this. I used the above healthcare example because someone actually said that to me. I'm not telling you which position you should take (though mine is clear if you read my blog). What I'm saying is that we live in a sad society if we don't teach our children the way the most basic economics works. Nothing is free, and the government can't just give out resources out of thin air. No matter what party or ideology you support, this is an extremely important issue.

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People, young and old alike, are more and more voting for the candidate that claims to have THEIR interests in mind. In other words, it's more of "I'm voting for candidate A because of what he/she can do for me" instead of thinking of the country at large.
Posted 9/9/2012 7:58 PM by QuantumStorm Xanga True Member - recommend (1) - reply

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Great post, and the message is dead-on. I have one of my own brewing, resulting immediately from how often I have had people this summer not use up to more than $100 in "Free Passe" to the amusement resort I work at, because they thought it was "bullshit" that they were being asked to pay $10 to use our parking lot for the day.
Posted 9/9/2012 8:01 PM by lonelywanderer2 Xanga True Member Xanga Premium Member - recommend - reply

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@lonelywanderer2 - Seriously...
Posted 9/9/2012 8:02 PM by Pickwick12 - recommend - reply

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We need to work on making a world where everyone's basic needs are taken care of in the right way.


Even when I had stuff prior to becoming disabled, I thought it was fair that I give some of it back.  I believe in this because of the complexity of society. If America had the same opportunities for all, I wouldn't believe in this, but it's not fair.  Some people do get the short end of the stick no matter how hard they try.  They can't get a good job.  Even the poorest people often have children, which are our future and a resource for us all, so we need to provide for them. 


Usually, if I can get a job, I'm thankful that I have work, housing and food.  I give back hoping that they'll give back if I need, which they have.  I'm trying to go back, and we'll start this all over again.


  

Posted 9/9/2012 8:14 PM by Colorsofthenight - recommend - reply

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Another problem with this is they think it is an equality issue. Your equality has absolutely nothing to do with your property. Or monetary value.
Posted 9/9/2012 8:49 PM by mtngirlsouth Xanga True Member Xanga Premium Member - recommend (1) - reply

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@mtngirlsouth - Exactly! And when I said "equality" in the post, I meant it in purely economic terms, not to do with personal worth. That's totally independent of wealth or social standing.
Posted 9/9/2012 8:50 PM by Pickwick12 - recommend - reply

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I like to think there is a third way - the Jesus way. It involves people voluntarily sharing things in common as outlined in Acts. It's not a forced thing like the government would do, but it also doesn't mean everybody has their own money and property because it's really God's property.
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@crevis05 - That's why I said Option 1 leaves the door open for people to voluntarily do that kind of thing. I totally agree that for Christians, all property belongs to God.
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@Pickwick12 -  I see it a little different. I think in God's economy there would be redistribution of wealth so that no one would have less. But I'm definitely not advocating the government should take this kind of responsibility on.
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@crevis05 - I see it more along the lines of He who doesn't work, doesn't eat. I absolutely believe in giving to those who can't work because of physical or mental disabilities, but sometimes people have less because they won't do what it takes to work for what they need. At any rate, we agree on the government not having a role here and that there's a definite need for people to share what they have.

ETA: God doesn't give the same things to everyone--He certainly gives us much we don't deserve, but some of the spiritual blessings we have are given as we seek and work for them. He doesn't always just give us things we won't work for.
Posted 9/9/2012 9:31 PM by Pickwick12 - recommend - reply

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I like this post!  You are saying quietly and politely what is the truth about economics.   I am so sad that elections in this country have come down (and I mean down) to 'what can I get from those in charge of the affairs of government'...which affairs are not and never should be "creating jobs" "providing health care free" or outright doles with no proviso concerning personal effort to rectify the situation.    No person, especially a believer, would deny help to those who are in trouble; but those who can, but won't help themselves will always have trouble.  People who advocate a redistribution of wealth fail to recognize that the same "inequity" will be repeated in a matter of time - besides which, no one wants to be the first to part with what is theirs, so redistribution requires the use of force.
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"Nothing is free, and the government can't just give out resources out of thin air. No matter what party or ideology you support, this is an extremely important issue."

Yes, yes, a thousand times yes. Very well said Amy.
Posted 9/9/2012 10:38 PM by firetyger Xanga True Member Xanga Premium Member - recommend - reply

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@firetyger - Thank you, ma'am
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You're attacking short-hand language. If you were to actually question your "I like Obama because he gives me healthcare." sock puppet, he'd readily admit


(1). Yes- Uncle Sam doesn't weave money and resources out of thin air!
(2). And yes- tax money actually goes towards enactment and enforcement of congressional legislation!
(3). Yes, I know what taxes are!

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@Celestial_Teapot - The discussion was an online one. I did address this with this person and didn't receive a response. They're not the only reason I wrote this, though. It's a lack of understanding I've heard in different situations from a lot of young people lately, the idea that the government can give them things out of nowhere.
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@Pickwick12 - "They're not the only reason I wrote this, though. It's a lack of understanding I've heard in different situations from a lot of young people lately, the idea that the government can give them things out of nowhere."


Do you suppose that these young people believe the government work magic in producing things out of nowhere? I can think of no modern technology capable of the task.

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i don't think you're telling us anything that we don't already know. i support universal healthcare and understand that the resources must come from somewhere. it'd be great if you Christians were willing to support the rest of us... but so far, you haven't. and i'm not sure i trust a group that considers me damned to care about my health as thoroughly as a secular organization would.
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@QuantumStorm - 
That's the American way. 'Me, me and me'.
Posted 9/10/2012 1:07 PM by CanuckFascist - recommend - reply

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@crevis05 - 
NOTHING is the property of one's figment of your imagination, in this case, your fabled God.
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@flapper_femme_fatale - 
You support something that is against your US Constitution? Treason much?
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@CanuckFascist - 

i don't recall the phrase "universal healthcare" being anywhere in the Constitution at all, let alone banning it.
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@flapper_femme_fatale - 

Many complain that they should not have to pay for someone else's healthcare. Such people use your Constitution to back up their complaints, where it states the US government has not the right to force them to pay for the healthcare of others. It is precisely what keeps Obama from enacting universal healthcare. He cannot, for he would be violating your beloved Constitution.
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@CanuckFascist - 

then hospitals shouldn't be allowed to provide healthcare for the uninsured and pass along the cost to those of us who do pay for insurance. oddly enough, that was put into law by conservatives.
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@CanuckFascist -  I don't really understand what your saying, except God is a figment of my imagination.
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@crevis05 - 
God IS a figment of the imagination of religious nuts, frightened people who have accepted a myth into their lives because they cannot cope with society. Only weak people believe in God.
Posted 9/11/2012 3:15 PM by CanuckFascist - recommend - reply

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